{"id":100861,"date":"2022-10-18T11:00:47","date_gmt":"2022-10-18T10:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/?p=100861"},"modified":"2023-03-07T15:46:28","modified_gmt":"2023-03-07T15:46:28","slug":"what-is-a-malignant-narcissist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-a-malignant-narcissist.htm","title":{"rendered":"What is a Malignant Narcissist? The Truth You Need to Know"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_100867\" style=\"width: 233px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-100867\" class=\" wp-image-100867\" src=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/2460670498_f0d5361db8-268x400.jpg\" alt=\"what is a malignant narcissist\" width=\"223\" height=\"333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/2460670498_f0d5361db8-268x400.jpg 268w, https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/2460670498_f0d5361db8.jpg 335w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 223px) 100vw, 223px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-100867\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">By: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/msabbath\/2460670498\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\" \">blah blah photos&#8230;blah blah blah<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">by Andrea M. Darcy<\/span><\/p>\n<p>What is a malignant narcissist? And how are they different than an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-a-narcissist.htm\">everyday narcissist<\/a> that we hear about in seemingly every corner of the internet these days?<\/p>\n<h2>What is a malignant narcissist?<\/h2>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #993366;\">Malignant narcissism is among the\u00a0 darkest proposed types of personality. It combines both traits of narcissism and antisocial behaviour with possible sadism.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>What it is NOT, though, is an official psychiatric diagnosis. <\/strong>The term &#8216;malignant narcissist&#8217; has never been accepted and used by the diagnostic manuals for psychological disorders like the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-the-dsm.htm\">DSM<\/a> or the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-the-icd-10.htm\">ICD<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The closest official diagnosis these days would be<\/strong> &#8216;narcissistic personality disorder&#8217; (NPD), or &#8216;antisocial personality disorder&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p><em>You might hear talk of &#8216;malignant narcissistic personality disorder&#8217; (malignant NPD), or &#8216;malignant antisocial personality disorder&#8217;. But these are not a proper clinical diagnosis.<\/em><\/p>\n<h2>Narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm\">Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)<\/a> <strong>is far less common than the online industry around narcissism<\/strong> would have you believe. It doesn&#8217;t mean someone just has the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/personality-disorder-vs-personality-trait.htm\">personality trait<\/a> of narcissism, and can sometimes be full of themselves or emotionally cold.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NPD means that since early adulthood someone consistently sees the world and themselves <\/strong>in a way that is very different. They have a sense of entitlement, lack empathy, and are egocentric. Some people with narcissistic personality are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-grandiosity.htm\">grandiose<\/a>, and others are insecure and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/defensiveness-relationships.htm\">defensive<\/a>. Both types satisfy their needs at the expense of others.<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-antisocial-personality-disorder.htm\">Antisocial personality disorder<\/a> means someone<\/strong> has no respect for others, the law, or personal property. It involves hostile, aggressive and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-impulsivity.htm\">reckless behaviour<\/a>. Illegal acts and violence are common. Those with this disorder <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/connecting-with-people.htm\">struggle to maintain relationships<\/a> with others.<\/p>\n<h2>Malignant narcissist traits<\/h2>\n<p><strong>Again, a definition of malignant narcissism is these two<\/strong> personality disorders combined together, with the addition of sadism.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #800080;\"> So as well as having traits of narcissism like\u00a0entitlement, egocentricity, and lack of empathy, and either grandiosity or aggressive insecurity? They would have antisocial traits. So they would not respect other people or their property, and would be reckless, aggressive, and <a style=\"color: #800080;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/myths-about-domestic-violence.htm\">violent<\/a>. Then they would be sadistic, enjoying hurting others. And they are also likely to be <a style=\"color: #800080;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-paranoia.htm\">paranoid<\/a>.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h2>A narcissist vs a malignant narcissist<\/h2>\n<p><strong>So then how does all this measure up to a regular narcissist?<\/strong> A regular narcissist is not likely to be violent, or antisocial, both of which would lower them in the eyes of others when they crave approval and respect. And a narcissist&#8217;s aim is not to make others suffer, but rather to avoid suffering themselves. Deep down they don&#8217;t want to feel insecure and unworthy. They are not likely to be reckless, rather they would be calculated.<\/p>\n<h2>Malignant narcissism vs psychopathy<\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_100865\" style=\"width: 293px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-100865\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-100865\" src=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/13031082943_cd6e1b3b08-283x400.jpg\" alt=\"what is a malignant narcissist\" width=\"283\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/13031082943_cd6e1b3b08-283x400.jpg 283w, https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/13031082943_cd6e1b3b08.jpg 354w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 283px) 100vw, 283px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-100865\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">By: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/45909111@N00\/13031082943\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\">Gwydion M. Williams<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333333;\"><strong>The infamous &#8216;Hare Psychopathy checklist&#8217;<\/strong> places psychopaths and malignant narcissists in the same tier of results.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>But Otto Kernberg, a psychoanalyst who first discussed malignant narcissism <\/strong>in depth way back in the 1960s, suggested differently. He felt a malignant narcissist was more conscious of their evildoing than a psychopath. He stated that psychopaths didn\u2019t identify themselves as the aggressive, evil person others saw them as. But malignant narcissists admired evil and could even lead groups of other violent aggressors.<\/p>\n<p><strong>An example here is a serial killer working in secrecy and<\/strong> convinced he is cleansing the earth (psychopath), versus the known leader of a mafia gang who gets off on ordering people be tortured (malignant narcissist).<\/p>\n<h2>Why is the difference not more exact?<\/h2>\n<p><strong>All these terms being discussed &#8212; narcissist, psychopath, sociopath \u2014 <\/strong>are simply terms made up by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/types-of-therapists.htm\">mental health professionals<\/a> to describe groups of people with similar symptoms. They aren&#8217;t a science, and they have definitions that can change with each new version of mental health manuals like the DSM and ICD.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><b>They are also not illnesses you can see under a microscope<\/b>. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.neuro.uni-jena.de\/pdf-files\/Nenadic-PRNI14.pdf\"><span class=\"s2\">\u00a0Brain scans<\/span><\/a> did show that those with narcissistic personality disorder seem to have lower brain activity in areas related to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/hyper-empathy-feel-too-much.htm\">empathy<\/a>, but it&#8217;s impossible to say if this is because of or as a result of NPD. <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\" style=\"color: #333399;\">And there is an argument that these disorders are partly cultural. A <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/science\/article\/abs\/pii\/S0092656603000266?via%3Dihub\">study looking at NPD around the world<\/a> found that societies that glorify the individual like the USA had higher rates of narcissism than countries that still had collective structures at their base.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Finally, clinical evidence is also limited, given that those on <\/strong>the &#8216;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-dark-triad.htm\">dark spectrum<\/a>&#8216; are not the sort to show up to therapy of their own accord, or agree to be studied. They end up with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/psychologists-and-depression.htm\">psychologists<\/a> if they commit a crime and end up within the system.<\/p>\n<h2>A brief history of malignant narcissism<\/h2>\n<p><strong>The term was coined by<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/freuds-main-theories-psychoanalysis.htm\">psychoanalyst<\/a> and philosopher Erich Fromm in the 1960s, and then explored further by psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg. Note that this was a few decades on from the second World War, when enough time had passed to begin to process its horrors.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_100869\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-100869\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-100869\" src=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/5829666604_516663f8ee-1-400x244.jpg\" alt=\"what is a malignant narcissist\" width=\"400\" height=\"244\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/5829666604_516663f8ee-1-400x244.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/5829666604_516663f8ee-1.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-100869\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">By: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/chrisyarzab\/5829666604\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noreferrer\" \">Chris Yarzab<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>Both Fromm and Kernberg were from Jewish families that had to leave Germany <\/strong>to escape the Nazis. This\u00a0might have influenced their take on human evil, even as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/psychological-effects-of-terrorism.htm\">terrorism<\/a> influences our <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/what-is-perspective.htm\">perspectives<\/a> today.<\/p>\n<h2>Why is malignant NPD not a diagnosis?<\/h2>\n<p><strong>It would not be considered <\/strong>a clinical diagnosis as it does not actually describe many people, and again, there isn&#8217;t enough evidence.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">This is not to say that very damaged people do not exist. But the closest official statistic taken from an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/science\/article\/abs\/pii\/S0010440X09000984\">overview of all American research on NPD<\/a> placed only 1.6% of the population as diagnosable. And only a small part of that already small statistic would then qualify as having the traits of malignant narcissism.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h2>Is my boss or ex a malignant narcissist?<\/h2>\n<p><em>Sure your <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/is-my-boss-a-sociopath.htm\">boss is a sociopath<\/a>? Or your <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/co-parenting-with-a-narcissist-ex.htm\">ex is a malignant narcissist<\/a>? The better question here is, what are you going to do to ensure your own<a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/mental-wellbeing.htm\"> wellbeing<\/a> and safety?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>If it\u2019s a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/traumatic-bonding-break-trauma-bonds.htm\">romantic relationship that went wrong<\/a>, what are you going to do to ensure you <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/leave-unhappy-relationship.htm\">don\u2019t continue to make destructive relationship choices<\/a> in the future?<\/p>\n<p><strong>If it&#8217;s a boss who is mistreating you, how are you going to<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/healthy-boundaries.htm\">set boundaries<\/a> and get the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/work-and-career-counselling-london.htm\">workplace support<\/a> you need?<\/p>\n<p><strong>You can never control or change<\/strong> someone with a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/counselling\/borderline-personality-disorder-treatment-therapy.htm\">personality disorder<\/a>, but you can control and your own choices.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800080;\">Are you struggling with a relationship that is putting your wellbeing in danger? Need someone to talk to? Harley Therapy puts you in touch with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.harleytherapy.co.uk\/relationship-counselling-london.htm\">London\u2019s best therapists<\/a>. Need an affordable therapist and want to <a href=\"https:\/\/harleytherapy.com\/therapists?utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_source=harleytherapy.co.uk&amp;utm_content=Post%20End\">talk online<\/a> from anywhere in the world? <a href=\"https:\/\/harleytherapy.com\/therapists?utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_source=harleytherapy.co.uk&amp;utm_content=Post%20End\">Use our booking site<\/a> now.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><b>Andrea M. Darcy<\/b> is a health and wellbeing writer as well as mentor, trained in person-centred counselling and coaching. She often writes about trauma, relationships, and ADHD. Find her on Instagram @am_darcy<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Andrea M. Darcy What is a malignant narcissist? 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